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RORooster

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #330 on: April 13, 2018, 08:07:53 PM »

Nobody has pointed out that the efficient 3 minute limitation held to a city meetings takes place at hearings for which there is only one topic. 

Commission meetings may have may have 20 or more items.  I will concede a 3-minute limit when i am allowed to request a second time period for comment on a second (or third) separate agenda item.

And maybe a non-agenda period.  For instance, I may well have something to say when staging for civic center projects is dumped on us.  And about how the sewer cleaning insurance has sold itself and raised the yearly price by $8 (with more to come in following years?).  When I signed up I was told that early adopters would keep the same price as long as they paid up on time.  I guess promises are not carried over with mergers.

Don't think their rep mentioned this when he was called before commissioners to assure all that they were a much-loved corporation.

Which of those should I spend my 3 minutes on, and which should I put off?  Or do i ask for a second comment period to lay out concerns?

Buzz,

Again, by procedural rules, you can request for a motion for more time to comment. However, given there is a motion made it requires a majority vote. Lots of luck to the every meeting speakers...5- 2 NAY! Of course if your a past commissioner, representative or county representative your home free.

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #331 on: April 15, 2018, 01:40:38 PM »

Nobody has pointed out that the efficient 3 minute limitation held to a city meetings takes place at hearings for which there is only one topic. 

Commission meetings may have may have 20 or more items.  I will concede a 3-minute limit when i am allowed to request a second time period for comment on a second (or third) separate agenda item.

And maybe a non-agenda period.  For instance, I may well have something to say when staging for civic center projects is dumped on us.  And about how the sewer cleaning insurance has sold itself and raised the yearly price by $8 (with more to come in following years?).  When I signed up I was told that early adopters would keep the same price as long as they paid up on time.  I guess promises are not carried over with mergers.

Don't think their rep mentioned this when he was called before commissioners to assure all that they were a much-loved corporation.

Which of those should I spend my 3 minutes on, and which should I put off?  Or do i ask for a second comment period to lay out concerns?

Buzz,

Again, by procedural rules, you can request for a motion for more time to comment. However, given there is a motion made it requires a majority vote. Lots of luck to the every meeting speakers...5- 2 NAY! Of course if your a past commissioner, representative or county representative your home free.

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Forum,


MINUTES

What must be in the minutes – at a minimum, the minutes must show the date, time, place, members present, members absent, any decisions made at a meeting open
to the public, and the purpose or purposes for which a closed session is held. The minutes must include all roll call votes taken at the meeting.
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The OMA does not prohibit a public body from preparing a more detailed set of minutes of its public
meetings if it chooses to do so.

When must the minutes be available – proposed minutes must be made available for public inspection within eight days after the applicable meeting. Approved
minutes must be made available for public inspection within five days after the public body's approval.

When must the minutes be approved – at the board's next meeting. Corrected minutes mustshow both the original entry and the correction (for example, using a "strikethrough" word processing feature).

Closed session minutes – a separate set of minutes must be taken for closed sessions. While closed session minutes must be approved in an open meeting (with contents of the minutes kept confidential), the board may meet in closed session to consider approving the minutes.
Closed session minutes shall only be disclosed if required by a civil action filed under sections 10, 11, or 13 of the OMA. The board secretary may furnish the minutes of a closed session of the body to a board member. A member's disseminationof closed session minutes to the public, however, is a violation of the OMA, and the member risks criminal prosecution and civil penalties.

An audiotape of a closed session meeting of a public body is part of the minutes of the session meeting and, thus, must be filed with the clerk of the public body for retention under the OMA.

Closed session minutes may be destroyed one year and one day after approval of the minutes of
the regular meeting at which the closed session occurred.


Inadvertent omissions from the minutes – the OMA does not invalidate a decision due to a simple error in the minutes, such as inadvertently omitting the vote to go into closed session from a meeting's minutes.

Forum my questions are as follows:

When was the agenda posted for the public? The agenda is dated March 8, 2018 for a Rules Committee Meeting. Why was the meeting time set for 4:30 PM? Is this really a convenient time for the residents and public to attend a meeting that will impact their rights to address their elected representatives. With a total lack of minutes required by the OMA and the lack of these minutes restricting individuals and their ability to understand, and question question the basis of their decision. It seemed that during CITCOM discussion one commissioner couldnt even recall who the chair was.

If not fair to residents, by the lack of meeting minutes, was this decision even legal? Should  it not be revisited? It is interesting to note that that a sitting commissioner and trustee of the Retirement Board, missed two meeting set at 9 AM due to conflicts at work. Thus the meeting times were changed to the afternoon. Another time that maybe  convenient for city administrators but not the public. Check public comment numbers for this meeting! Check public speaker comments for the up coming budget meetings and times set for the meetings.
 
It's a game and the residents are losing and don't have a clue as to why!

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #332 on: June 11, 2018, 11:11:15 PM »

Mark this date: June 11th. City Commission failed to pass 2018-19 budget. One hour and a half and the mayor is not happy.  Awwwww! 8)
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #333 on: June 12, 2018, 08:38:01 AM »

It appears Ms Macey has decided to show her brain and soul at the right time.
I admire principal before party.  She has started of late to voice for the resident taxpaying citizens , aka the people who live here.

Of course, i expect her to get much backlash behind the scenes, i hope she is tough enough to endure it.
I can say is "Well done" 
My opinion of her is slowly changing.
Even a small glimmer of hope is better than none at all.
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #334 on: June 12, 2018, 12:27:34 PM »

Mayor absent from 5/18 commission meeting, out of state on city related business.

Sources indicate that Ellison, Todd Fenton, and some DDA members are at a retailers convention in Las Vegas.

Sounds like a nice junket.

Wow,

Ellison out on a junket! Be still my heart!!! Had to be a freebie... Probably The State of Michigan and Fifth Avenue split the expenses as is his mode of operation! I can see the logic of him going to a retailers convention. If anybody can sell Bull crap it's him!

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #335 on: June 13, 2018, 08:26:40 AM »

personally, I think it is time to publically discuss RECALL. I haven't seen such a cluster bomb commission in years.  Who do you think is steering this disaster? 
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #336 on: June 13, 2018, 11:34:18 AM »

An Oakland County Commissioner?
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Sometimes I wish the government would just ban itself. Wrap your heads around that, fellas.

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #337 on: June 13, 2018, 12:20:52 PM »

An Oakland County Commissioner?

To tell you the truth, this group doesn't really need any outside help! Their bombing it up pretty well by themselves!

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #338 on: June 13, 2018, 12:45:57 PM »

personally, I think it is time to publically discuss RECALL. I haven't seen such a cluster bomb commission in years.  Who do you think is steering this disaster?

Ah come on retailer,

Lets at least wait to see who's going to suggest a bond issue to purchase the Superior Fish building for $75 Million, raze the building, erect a six-story parking garage, retail shopping, office space, underground subway, overhead skyway, helicopter pad with access to all Royal Oak hotspots. Come on Donigan...right down your alley.

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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #339 on: June 13, 2018, 02:43:47 PM »

well, when you look at it that way..................  sorry, I aren't buying in to it. 
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #340 on: June 13, 2018, 03:00:17 PM »

Can't wait for the full minutes of Monday's meeting to be posted--if they will at all.  Maybe with citations from the many meetings where information of info which caused the (ahem!) correct interpretation of city finances to be found in the new budget.  Or not.  Macey for Mayor.
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #341 on: June 14, 2018, 12:04:37 PM »

In response to the budget issue, a hastily thrown together "Coffee with the (3 of 7) Commissioners". Macey was not informed or invited. Guessing Paruch will not be back in time.
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #342 on: June 14, 2018, 12:34:17 PM »

Why not at Farmers Market?  I absolutely love the VERY small print on the bottom.


[/b]  NO TAXPAYERS FUNDS ARE BEING USEDIN SUPPORT OF THIS EVENT!

BHAHAHAHAHA!
Macy in doghouse?
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #343 on: June 14, 2018, 09:35:47 PM »

Two of those three are the local politicians I least want to hear talk, ever.
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Re: Commission musings
« Reply #344 on: June 14, 2018, 10:32:17 PM »

Video of the city commission meeting has been posted.  The budget fun starts at 1 hour 42 minutes.
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